Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Or the awful corporate blue BR? Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? You are using an out of date browser. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. The double arrow is still overused, though. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. Western. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. BRs own history says otherwise. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Home Forums The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. I'm inclined to disagree. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . We use cookies. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Thanks. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. Something timeless. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? It really does look dire. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. JavaScript is disabled. the handling/liability of pensions etc. The current lot is an absolute mess. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. 1948 -. [7]. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. You are using an out of date browser. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. The first Class 31 entered service in November . I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. 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[14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. 4Rep and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express stock... 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